Comments on: Something very rotten in the Googleplex http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/ The leading source of news covering social media and the blogosphere. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:27:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ÖÇʶ@IdeoBook™ » Google ²»×÷¶ñÂ𣿠http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-89976 ÖÇʶ@IdeoBook™ » Google ²»×÷¶ñÂ𣿠Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:28:58 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-89976 [...] ½Ôö¼Ó¹ã¸æÄѵÀ²»ÊÇ¡°×÷¶ñ¡±Âð(¶øÇÒ¾ÓÈ»´óÑÔ²»²ÑµØ˵£¬ÕâÑù×ö¼ÈÌá¸ßÁ˹ã¸æЧ¹ûÓÖÌáÉýÁËÓû§ÌåÑé)£¿Óë¡°»µÈË¡±ÎªÎéÄѵÀ²»ÊÇ¡°×÷¶ñ¡±Âð£¿Èç¹ûÕâЩ»¹¶¼Ëã²»ÉÏ¡°evil¡±µÄ»°£¬ [...] [...] ½Ôö¼Ó¹ã¸æÄѵÀ²»ÊÇ¡°×÷¶ñ¡±Âð(¶øÇÒ¾ÓÈ»´óÑÔ²»²ÑµØ˵£¬ÕâÑù×ö¼ÈÌá¸ßÁ˹ã¸æЧ¹ûÓÖÌáÉýÁËÓû§ÌåÑé)£¿Óë¡°»µÈË¡±ÎªÎéÄѵÀ²»ÊÇ¡°×÷¶ñ¡±Âð£¿Èç¹ûÕâЩ»¹¶¼Ëã²»ÉÏ¡°evil¡±µÄ»°£¬ [...]

]]> By: Anti-Google » Google ä¸?作æ?¶å?—？ http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-73530 Anti-Google » Google ä¸?作æ?¶å?—？ Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:08:58 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-73530 [...] ”居然大言ä¸?惭地说，这样å?šæ—¢æ??高了广告效果å?ˆæ??å?‡äº†ç”¨æˆ·ä½“验）？与“å??人â€?为ä¼?éš¾é?“ä¸?是“作æ?¶â€?å?—？如果这些还 [...] [...] ”居然大言ä¸?惭地说，这样å?šæ—¢æ??高了广告效果å?ˆæ??å?‡äº†ç”¨æˆ·ä½“验）？与“å??人â€?为ä¼?éš¾é?“ä¸?是“作æ?¶â€?å?—？如果这些还 [...]

]]> By: John Clifford http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-47620 John Clifford Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:37:26 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-47620 I notice how many spammy websites conatin Google adsense and then use Black Hat SEO to gain top rankings in Google organic SERP's. Do you think the conflict between revenue generation on Adsense side and relevant non spam SERP's is driving the black SEO success. In other words google has a built in intersest to not enforceing their suggested webmaster guidleines for Back Hat sites that drive revenue to Google Adwords. I notice how many spammy websites conatin Google adsense and then use Black Hat SEO to gain top rankings in Google organic SERP’s. Do you think the conflict between revenue generation on Adsense side and relevant non spam SERP’s is driving the black SEO success. In other words google has a built in intersest to not enforceing their suggested webmaster guidleines for Back Hat sites that drive revenue to Google Adwords.

]]> By: wow-gold http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-46464 wow-gold Sat, 03 Sep 2005 10:03:39 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-46464 Charge?! Never! I dont't pay! Charge?! Never! I dont’t pay!

]]> By: SeoBro http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-45287 SeoBro Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:15:38 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-45287 I can understand that they want to meet the "enemy" and maybe hammer out a peace treaty. Still, if they allow it, then they will see more of it. We need to have people register b4 their site can be indexed. That is a good way of stopping content crooks. Also, why not charge a fee to have your site included in google? I can understand that they want to meet the “enemy” and maybe hammer out a peace treaty. Still, if they allow it, then they will see more of it.

We need to have people register b4 their site can be indexed. That is a good way of stopping content crooks. Also, why not charge a fee to have your site included in google?

]]> By: Dave http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-45192 Dave Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:55:52 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-45192 Keep feeding of those crumbs black hatters Keep feeding of those crumbs black hatters

]]> By: Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies » Blog Archive » Referencing SEO Resources For Blogging Newcomers http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-45021 Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies » Blog Archive » Referencing SEO Resources For Blogging Newcomers Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:55:22 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-45021 [...] iple that I subscribe to, mentioned in the comments at Duncan Riley’s recent posting Something very rotten in the Googleplex [...] [...] iple that I subscribe to, mentioned in the comments at Duncan Riley’s recent posting Something very rotten in the Googleplex [...]

]]> By: rogerd http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44925 rogerd Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:47:53 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44925 Implying that there is an unholy alliance between Google and black hat spammers is, well, ludicrous. Whenever Matt's talking with SEOs, he's taking notes. Sure, he's writing down the URL you haven't been able to get into Google for six months, but he's taking notes on what he's hearing, too. Matt's blog points out that Google's latest initiative against scraper sites came about from conversations at WebmasterWorld's New Orleans conference. Implying that there is an unholy alliance between Google and black hat spammers is, well, ludicrous.

Whenever Matt’s talking with SEOs, he’s taking notes. Sure, he’s writing down the URL you haven’t been able to get into Google for six months, but he’s taking notes on what he’s hearing, too. Matt’s blog points out that Google’s latest initiative against scraper sites came about from conversations at WebmasterWorld’s New Orleans conference.

]]> By: Barry Schwartz http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44863 Barry Schwartz Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:41:52 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44863 I find this all so interesting. Matt makes a very good point at his blog. The people at Google are not dumb, I know Matt and he is a very bright person. There is a reason for everything he does. There is no one I know that cares more for the quality of the Google search results then Matt Cutts. Bottom line, he is doing what he can, to gain information from those that spam the engines. And the spammers do the same, they do what they can to gain information to spam the engines. Why is there a "good cop - bad cop" tactic to interrogate criminals? IMO - Google is smart. I find this all so interesting. Matt makes a very good point at his blog. The people at Google are not dumb, I know Matt and he is a very bright person. There is a reason for everything he does. There is no one I know that cares more for the quality of the Google search results then Matt Cutts.

Bottom line, he is doing what he can, to gain information from those that spam the engines. And the spammers do the same, they do what they can to gain information to spam the engines.

Why is there a “good cop – bad cop” tactic to interrogate criminals?

IMO – Google is smart.

]]> By: Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO » Christmas Truce of 1914 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44836 Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO » Christmas Truce of 1914 Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:46:12 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44836 [...] g I have to say that I got a good chuckle out of the Blog Herald’s “Something’s very wrotten [sic] in the googleplex” [...] [...] g I have to say that I got a good chuckle out of the Blog Herald’s “Something’s very wrotten [sic] in the googleplex” [...]

]]> By: AussieWebmaster http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44806 AussieWebmaster Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:07:28 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44806 Hey bitching at the system very rarely works... working with it in every possible setting gets you a long way as this night proved out. I am annoyed I left the engineer's makeshift count early and then when I came back Matt was gone... now I know where. If there was any info passed that could be for public consumption blog or post it where some of us will benefit!!! "I have gotten free drinks at a Adult convention from Google. I have gotten dinner from them in other places. I actually don’t think I got a free drink this time." Chris R Have to love the comps - Google is definitely leading the way in smart customer/public relations. Hey bitching at the system very rarely works… working with it in every possible setting gets you a long way as this night proved out.

I am annoyed I left the engineer’s makeshift count early and then when I came back Matt was gone… now I know where.

If there was any info passed that could be for public consumption blog or post it where some of us will benefit!!!

“I have gotten free drinks at a Adult convention from Google. I have gotten dinner from them in other places. I actually don’t think I got a free drink this time.” Chris R

Have to love the comps – Google is definitely leading the way in smart customer/public relations.

]]> By: A Black Hat Seo http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44805 A Black Hat Seo Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:46:47 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44805 I guess that the Google boys know the rule to keep your friends close and your enemies even closes. Congrats DaveN on your trip round google. The Black Hat Seo`s Will conquer the web and the White Hat Wimps are concerned that they will no longer have a job when things get more competetive. I guess that the Google boys know the rule to keep your friends close and your enemies even closes.
Congrats DaveN on your trip round google.

The Black Hat Seo`s Will conquer the web and the White Hat Wimps are concerned that they will no longer have a job when things get more competetive.

]]> By: Chris_R http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44768 Chris_R Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:21:07 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44768 >>LOL, shows what you know then haha Ok - as one who was THERE with Dave, Jen, Matt, Larry, and Sergey: I am a black hat - and I would love to be a white hat, but after seeing that 80 sites and 150 content writers makes not even a million a year - I don't think I could switch sides. I have gotten free drinks at a Adult convention from Google. I have gotten dinner from them in other places. I actually don't think I got a free drink this time. I don't break any rules. I never submit my sites to google - they choose to visit and add my pages. You have links at the top that are designed to make it look like navigation on your site to get a higher click through rate - does that make you an evil blackhat scumbag? >>LOL, shows what you know then

haha

Ok – as one who was THERE with Dave, Jen, Matt, Larry, and Sergey:

I am a black hat – and I would love to be a white hat, but after seeing that 80 sites and 150 content writers makes not even a million a year – I don’t think I could switch sides.

I have gotten free drinks at a Adult convention from Google. I have gotten dinner from them in other places. I actually don’t think I got a free drink this time.

I don’t break any rules. I never submit my sites to google – they choose to visit and add my pages.

You have links at the top that are designed to make it look like navigation on your site to get a higher click through rate – does that make you an evil blackhat scumbag?

]]> By: TallTroll http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44749 TallTroll Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:14:43 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44749 Why would Dave need to steal content? To be frank, most content isn't worth stealing - auto-generation has been, and increasingly will be, the way to go IMO. >> and 2 others who as far as I know are good guys, LOL, shows what you know then >> Speaking with the enemy at a conference is one thing, giving >> them free drinks and a private chat inside the worlds largest >> search company is another. You're missing the point a bit. As in most businesses, you keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.... Also, whether you like some of his methods or not, Dave is one of a handful of guys who really understand the "big picture" in search. Why shouldn't Google, or any of the big SE's, want to talk to him? For all the stuff he has inserted into various indexes over the years, if he can provide a good insight on how to handle this, that or the other issue eevry now and again, his influence on the quality of results is going to be positive overall Why would Dave need to steal content? To be frank, most content isn’t worth stealing – auto-generation has been, and increasingly will be, the way to go IMO.

>> and 2 others who as far as I know are good guys,

LOL, shows what you know then

>> Speaking with the enemy at a conference is one thing, giving >> them free drinks and a private chat inside the worlds largest
>> search company is another.

You’re missing the point a bit. As in most businesses, you keep your friends close, and your enemies closer….

Also, whether you like some of his methods or not, Dave is one of a handful of guys who really understand the “big picture” in search. Why shouldn’t Google, or any of the big SE’s, want to talk to him? For all the stuff he has inserted into various indexes over the years, if he can provide a good insight on how to handle this, that or the other issue eevry now and again, his influence on the quality of results is going to be positive overall

]]> By: Tex http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44747 Tex Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:05:21 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44747 Uh oh, another of the "holier than thou" brigade speaks forth. I am a self confessed black hatter and proud of it! I use all the techniques above and more to do what I can to get past the overly restrictive "moral high ground" rules imposed by a company that comes by my site and rips whatever content it wants to without my permission just because my site(s) are so popular. And they are popular because I say they are, and make them so. I think all you white hatters (mad hatters?) blame us, the real good guys, for the fact that you just aren't good enough to actually get yours or your clients sites even indexed, let alone ranked. I've gone in after many an unsuccesful white hat SEO campaign and ACTUALLY gotten the client the traffic they deserve. And by deserve I mean they paid for it, same as any business that pays for advertising, so they deserve the traffic. By the way, having a drink with someone certainly isn't wrong. I quite often invite my opposition out for drinks to pick their brains. Uh oh, another of the “holier than thou” brigade speaks forth.

I am a self confessed black hatter and proud of it! I use all the techniques above and more to do what I can to get past the overly restrictive “moral high ground” rules imposed by a company that comes by my site and rips whatever content it wants to without my permission just because my site(s) are so popular. And they are popular because I say they are, and make them so.

I think all you white hatters (mad hatters?) blame us, the real good guys, for the fact that you just aren’t good enough to actually get yours or your clients sites even indexed, let alone ranked.

I’ve gone in after many an unsuccesful white hat SEO campaign and ACTUALLY gotten the client the traffic they deserve. And by deserve I mean they paid for it, same as any business that pays for advertising, so they deserve the traffic.

By the way, having a drink with someone certainly isn’t wrong. I quite often invite my opposition out for drinks to pick their brains.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44746 Duncan Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:03:42 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44746 Chris what else do you do with scrapped content? To quote Dave "We tend to run 2 or 3 different programs at a time and live by the sword, whether it be blog spamming, scraper sites, content driven sites or just plain old clean SEO sites." Chris
what else do you do with scrapped content? To quote Dave
“We tend to run 2 or 3 different programs at a time and live by the sword, whether it be blog spamming, scraper sites, content driven sites or just plain old clean SEO sites.”

]]> By: Rob http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44743 Rob Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:33:49 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44743 But who do you think Google have more respect for, the white-hat pussies who follow all the rules, or the black-hats, who are always one step ahead, forcing Google/Y! to become better, faster, more efficient on a daily basis? No-one was ever famous for thinking inside the box. But who do you think Google have more respect for, the white-hat pussies who follow all the rules, or the black-hats, who are always one step ahead, forcing Google/Y! to become better, faster, more efficient on a daily basis? No-one was ever famous for thinking inside the box.

]]> By: ChrisGarrett http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44741 ChrisGarrett Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:58:03 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44741 Where is it public record that DN is a content theif? I see "content-driven" which would describe this blog, content *theif* is stealing content which I think DN denies? Where is it public record that DN is a content theif? I see “content-driven” which would describe this blog, content *theif* is stealing content which I think DN denies?

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44739 Duncan Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:49:26 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44739 Laz, jealous maybe, but I'm not willing to sell my soul to meet the head guys at Google, although talk dollars and we might be able to negotiate something :-) Laz,
jealous maybe, but I’m not willing to sell my soul to meet the head guys at Google, although talk dollars and we might be able to negotiate something :-)

]]> By: Laz http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44736 Laz Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:01:17 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44736 Hehe maybe a bit jealous are ya... wana met the founders too, bo ho Hehe maybe a bit jealous are ya… wana met the founders too, bo ho

]]> By: Mr. Real Estate http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44728 Mr. Real Estate Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:10:42 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44728 Google bought Blogger. Blogger is the best blog software to spam Google with, everyone knows that. The fact that there are large numbers of blogger blogs is also beneficial to Google, as is the spam factor. Ad Naylor to the mix and you have a wonderful formula for creating more AdSense dollars for Google. Oh no! Not more spam blogs in Google! I put a 'do not index, do not follow tag' in on eo fmy old blog, but Google still indexes it, with a nice ad at the top. It isn't rocket science. Blog spamming with Blogger blogs helps Google increase ad revenues, plain and simple. Google bought Blogger. Blogger is the best blog software to spam Google with, everyone knows that. The fact that there are large numbers of blogger blogs is also beneficial to Google, as is the spam factor. Ad Naylor to the mix and you have a wonderful formula for creating more AdSense dollars for Google. Oh no! Not more spam blogs in Google! I put a ‘do not index, do not follow tag’ in on eo fmy old blog, but Google still indexes it, with a nice ad at the top. It isn’t rocket science. Blog spamming with Blogger blogs helps Google increase ad revenues, plain and simple.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44724 Duncan Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:42:55 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44724 Sue me all you want Dave, but repeating whats on the public record normally isn't grounds for a sucessful legal action Sue me all you want Dave, but repeating whats on the public record normally isn’t grounds for a sucessful legal action

]]> By: Hidden Nook http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44723 Hidden Nook Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:42:09 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44723 Hmm...very interesting...I wonder if "Dave" is Bill Gates nephew? Dave--don't be evil. ;) Hmm…very interesting…I wonder if “Dave” is Bill Gates nephew? Dave–don’t be evil. ;)

]]> By: DaveN http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44719 DaveN Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:14:27 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44719 READ IT HERE FIRST: GOOGLE SCANDAL: PAGE, BRIN MEET WITH COMMENT SPAMMER, CONTENT THIEF hahaha hope you have good legal team for the CONTENT THIEF.. READ IT HERE FIRST: GOOGLE SCANDAL: PAGE, BRIN MEET WITH COMMENT SPAMMER, CONTENT THIEF

hahaha hope you have good legal team for the CONTENT THIEF..

]]> By: DaveN http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/comment-page-1/#comment-44718 DaveN Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:04:59 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/08/17/something-very-wrotten-in-the-googleplex/#comment-44718 Thanks for all the nice comments, I'm new to all this blog stuff... colbert I was at Yahoo for 3 hours too.. sorry you have too call the MSN police content thief .. nope i haven't done that one yet.. blog spamming .. yep guilty well 8 months scraper sites .. actually they are rss feeds rewritten content driven sites .. yep I employ quite a few content writers just plain old clean SEO sites.. I have quite a few Corp Clients as well.. Anyway have fun .. I always do .. funny no one asked why the Bandit changed to a Banker ;) DaveN Thanks for all the nice comments, I’m new to all this blog stuff… colbert I was at Yahoo for 3 hours too.. sorry you have too call the MSN police

content thief .. nope i haven’t done that one yet..

blog spamming .. yep guilty well 8 months

scraper sites .. actually they are rss feeds rewritten

content driven sites .. yep I employ quite a few content writers

just plain old clean SEO sites.. I have quite a few Corp Clients as well..

Anyway have fun .. I always do .. funny no one asked why the Bandit changed to a Banker ;)

DaveN

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