Comments on: How not to show appreciation to those who link http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/ The leading source of news covering social media and the blogosphere. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:18:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TechCrunch » Top Ten Things You Can Do To Get Blogged http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-77772 TechCrunch » Top Ten Things You Can Do To Get Blogged Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:51:25 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-77772 [...] e it’s at. Uppercase is for suckers :) The post was picked up by TurboBlogger and BlogHerald and 9rules has been roundly trashed in comments. [...] [...] e it’s at. Uppercase is for suckers :) The post was picked up by TurboBlogger and BlogHerald and 9rules has been roundly trashed in comments. [...]

]]> By: » 9rules announces new linking policy The Blog Herald: more blog news more often http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-48544 » 9rules announces new linking policy The Blog Herald: more blog news more often Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:57:20 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-48544 [...] es announces new linking policy Related entries in Corporate Following a fair bit of controversy over a post asking that people lin [...] [...] es announces new linking policy
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]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47221 Duncan Fri, 09 Sep 2005 06:18:02 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47221 Martin interesting your should mention the tech director being in contact with you, smart companies are responding to blogs, dumb ones aren't. I see it here from time to time as well, sometimes it shocks you how high up the people are as well. Martin
interesting your should mention the tech director being in contact with you, smart companies are responding to blogs, dumb ones aren’t. I see it here from time to time as well, sometimes it shocks you how high up the people are as well.

]]> By: martin http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47200 martin Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:31:24 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47200 Agree 100% - nothing is new in marketing - it's just that Seth has the knack of getting simple ideas across ... must be a gift or something. Would love to have 1/2 an hour with him to pick his brain. Of course I was kidding about Darren ;-) - I have heard of stage-managed controverseries between friends just for a lark and a publicity boast... Sifry - I like the whole concept behind Technorati but I think they're trying to do too much too soon - stick to the basics and get that right. seriously though, controversy marketing is a proven field if done and managed correctly I'm told - although I don't know how you can manage a controversy, as they usually take a life of their own. The trick is to pick on someone much, much bigger than you are. Going against a guy/business of similar size does zip ... everyone would like to take a pot shot at a big corporation once in a while. Example: I took a pot shot at MSN Messenger playing up on me this week (ie: it was giving me the you know what ... and I ranted) - check my comments and emails later and I'm in direct contact with a technical director from MSN (an actual MS employee) not bad for a little bog like myself - they must monitor the blogosphere quite closely. CHeers for the link. Agree 100% – nothing is new in marketing – it’s just that Seth has the knack of getting simple ideas across … must be a gift or something. Would love to have 1/2 an hour with him to pick his brain.

Of course I was kidding about Darren ;-) – I have heard of stage-managed controverseries between friends just for a lark and a publicity boast…

Sifry – I like the whole concept behind Technorati but I think they’re trying to do too much too soon – stick to the basics and get that right.

seriously though, controversy marketing is a proven field if done and managed correctly I’m told – although I don’t know how you can manage a controversy, as they usually take a life of their own.

The trick is to pick on someone much, much bigger than you are. Going against a guy/business of similar size does zip … everyone would like to take a pot shot at a big corporation once in a while.

Example: I took a pot shot at MSN Messenger playing up on me this week (ie: it was giving me the you know what … and I ranted) – check my comments and emails later and I’m in direct contact with a technical director from MSN (an actual MS employee) not bad for a little bog like myself – they must monitor the blogosphere quite closely.

CHeers for the link.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47198 Duncan Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:09:42 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47198 Martin see link roll :-) Martin
see link roll :-)

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47197 Duncan Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:09:19 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47197 Id love to do Seth but he is the ultimate in sacred cows, I'd be lynched, strung up, spat upon.....you get the picture. The odd thing with Seth is that his idea's aren't really new, they are just articulated in an amazingly refreshing way and applied to new world scenarios that are unique in the marketplace. As someone with a marketing background I know that nothing is new in marketing, PR, customer relations. It doesn't matter how new and wonderful you might find the idea, 99.9999% of times someones done it before, even if you didn't know about them before doing it. Darrens off limits because he really is a great guy, and I know this from experience. Trump is fair game. Sifrys a nice guy with a really, really crap product at the moment, but again I'm still secretly hoping he fixed Technorati, we all do. Apple sues bloggers, so they are always fair game, Scoble......well......bigger legal pockets than me, I'll leave that to others. He needs to lighten up though, not only in terms of his weight :-) Id love to do Seth but he is the ultimate in sacred cows, I’d be lynched, strung up, spat upon…..you get the picture. The odd thing with Seth is that his idea’s aren’t really new, they are just articulated in an amazingly refreshing way and applied to new world scenarios that are unique in the marketplace. As someone with a marketing background I know that nothing is new in marketing, PR, customer relations. It doesn’t matter how new and wonderful you might find the idea, 99.9999% of times someones done it before, even if you didn’t know about them before doing it.

Darrens off limits because he really is a great guy, and I know this from experience. Trump is fair game. Sifrys a nice guy with a really, really crap product at the moment, but again I’m still secretly hoping he fixed Technorati, we all do. Apple sues bloggers, so they are always fair game, Scoble……well……bigger legal pockets than me, I’ll leave that to others. He needs to lighten up though, not only in terms of his weight :-)

]]> By: martin http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47192 martin Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:18:51 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47192 Duncan, here's a some ideas for your 100 sacred cows list ;-) - Seth Godin (not that he's done anything wrong, just because he's too good) - Scooble (once again) - Darren from proBlogger (c'mon think of a controversy ...anything - he's too much of a nice guy ;-) - Apple (for their sledgehammer approach in keeping the term pod to themselves) - Sirfry (from Technroati just because everyone's onto him) - Donald Trump (now that's one famous blogger!!!) Actually anybody or company that's famous will do ... and while you're at it add a "I'm Sorry" category. BTW, link to me you lazy bastard - I've sent you emails ;-) Duncan, here’s a some ideas for your 100 sacred cows list ;-)

- Seth Godin (not that he’s done anything wrong, just because he’s too good)

- Scooble (once again)

- Darren from proBlogger (c’mon think of a controversy …anything – he’s too much of a nice guy ;-)

- Apple (for their sledgehammer approach in keeping the term pod to themselves)

- Sirfry (from Technroati just because everyone’s onto him)

- Donald Trump (now that’s one famous blogger!!!)

Actually anybody or company that’s famous will do … and while you’re at it add a “I’m Sorry” category.

BTW, link to me you lazy bastard – I’ve sent you emails ;-)

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47190 Duncan Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:00:56 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47190 Martin you've hit it on the head, you've got to be able to admit faults yourself and be able to take the piss out of yourself as well. On a much more serious note though maybe I'll have to call for nominations as to who I can upset next....I've been thinking of some names...maybe 100 sacred cows of blogging slammed or similar :-) Martin

you’ve hit it on the head, you’ve got to be able to admit faults yourself and be able to take the piss out of yourself as well.

On a much more serious note though maybe I’ll have to call for nominations as to who I can upset next….I’ve been thinking of some names…maybe 100 sacred cows of blogging slammed or similar :-)

]]> By: martin http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47180 martin Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:57:36 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47180 Humor is a hard act to do - with this one what they wanted was to get people to change the way they were linking to them (remember, it's people who out of their good will link to them) so there's a fine line between making the demand and then trying to be humourous about it. Smiley's don't really work - it's the way you write it up. Duncan, actually what you put up as to how you would write it is pretty spot on and would have done the job nicely. You've mixed self-deprecating humor with what you want people to do quite well. upsetting 100 people in 100 days - I like it ;-) and you're well on your way ... whose next: you've done Jason, 9Rules (sorry 9rULES ... 9rules) ... Humor is a hard act to do – with this one what they wanted was to get people to change the way they were linking to them (remember, it’s people who out of their good will link to them) so there’s a fine line between making the demand and then trying to be humourous about it. Smiley’s don’t really work – it’s the way you write it up.

Duncan, actually what you put up as to how you would write it is pretty spot on and would have done the job nicely. You’ve mixed self-deprecating humor with what you want people to do quite well.

upsetting 100 people in 100 days – I like it ;-) and you’re well on your way … whose next: you’ve done Jason, 9Rules (sorry 9rULES … 9rules) …

]]> By: Un blog con floggera » Blog Archive » ¿9rules o 9Rules? http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47146 Un blog con floggera » Blog Archive » ¿9rules o 9Rules? Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:36:21 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47146 [...] ispana. Por lo que se me hizo curioso el post que encontré en el Blog Herald sobre “Como no mostrar aprecio por aquellos que te ligan“. En [...] [...] ispana. Por lo que se me hizo curioso el post que encontré en el Blog Herald sobre “Como no mostrar aprecio por aquellos que te ligan“. En [...]

]]> By: Mike Rundle http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47137 Mike Rundle Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:46:39 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47137 *Mike quits the internet because all non-verbal communication is futile* *Mike quits the internet because all non-verbal communication is futile*

]]> By: Darren http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47117 Darren Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:47:54 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47117 Have to say I saw this and didn't really see it as a humerous post. I wasn't particularly offended by it or anthing but saw it as a bit of a wasted post. HoHum... Have to say I saw this and didn’t really see it as a humerous post. I wasn’t particularly offended by it or anthing but saw it as a bit of a wasted post. HoHum…

]]> By: John (SYNTAGMA) http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47114 John (SYNTAGMA) Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:12:52 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47114 This is the great weakness of the internet, isn't it? When you can't see the body language or facial expression, irony can seem wicked. I doubt that subtle humour plays well online. It's like arsenic, useful in homeopathic quantities. This is the great weakness of the internet, isn’t it? When you can’t see the body language or facial expression, irony can seem wicked. I doubt that subtle humour plays well online. It’s like arsenic, useful in homeopathic quantities.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47113 Duncan Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:05:21 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47113 Gordon I accept it the later part was meant in humor, but certainly when you start asking people to link to you in a particular way, you do so very nicely, every link counts and every link is important, you certainly don't want to appear ungrateful for a link. Sure, a joke at the end, but it still says FU to me if I was linking to the 9rules network in the wrong way, and after all, its just one capital letter! :-) Gordon
I accept it the later part was meant in humor, but certainly when you start asking people to link to you in a particular way, you do so very nicely, every link counts and every link is important, you certainly don’t want to appear ungrateful for a link. Sure, a joke at the end, but it still says FU to me if I was linking to the 9rules network in the wrong way, and after all, its just one capital letter! :-)

]]> By: Gordon http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47112 Gordon Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:49:10 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47112 Have to admit that, having read some of Scrivs site, and a few of the 9RULES network (sorry, couldn't resist) I think I would take this in context of humour. Mind you, missing the smiley doesn't help... Mike - one thing which seems really obvious is a closing line of "of course, you know we're joking, right?" or something. Yeah it may be obvious to you but it, obviously, isn't obvious to others (he said obviously... again). Note: This comment was written in an effort to be humourous. It may have failed. Have to admit that, having read some of Scrivs site, and a few of the 9RULES network (sorry, couldn’t resist) I think I would take this in context of humour.

Mind you, missing the smiley doesn’t help…

Mike – one thing which seems really obvious is a closing line of “of course, you know we’re joking, right?” or something. Yeah it may be obvious to you but it, obviously, isn’t obvious to others (he said obviously… again).

Note: This comment was written in an effort to be humourous. It may have failed.

]]> By: Mike Rundle http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47098 Mike Rundle Thu, 08 Sep 2005 03:31:18 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47098 Hey Duncan, I honestly apologize about the Richard thing, no idea how that name got into my head. That being said, we definitely appreciate everyone who is either a member, a reader, or just a casual supporter. We would never say or insinuate that we don't care about people who support us since burning bridges in the community just really isn't the path to take. I do want to thank you for pointing this out to us however, as we will definitely be more careful in future announcements or posts on our company weblog. Thanks Duncan. Hey Duncan, I honestly apologize about the Richard thing, no idea how that name got into my head.

That being said, we definitely appreciate everyone who is either a member, a reader, or just a casual supporter. We would never say or insinuate that we don’t care about people who support us since burning bridges in the community just really isn’t the path to take.

I do want to thank you for pointing this out to us however, as we will definitely be more careful in future announcements or posts on our company weblog.

Thanks Duncan.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47097 Duncan Thu, 08 Sep 2005 02:51:36 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47097 I should note a smiley face doesn't make a joke, content does, and yes, you are missing something, you've failed to show appreciation to your readers in the first place for linking. DO THIS, you are saying, AND F*CK OFF if your don't because we couldn't care less about you. Hey Mike, the only boat that's sailed here in the "I appreciate people" boat at 9rules if this if you don't get this. I should note a smiley face doesn’t make a joke, content does, and yes, you are missing something, you’ve failed to show appreciation to your readers in the first place for linking. DO THIS, you are saying, AND F*CK OFF if your don’t because we couldn’t care less about you. Hey Mike, the only boat that’s sailed here in the “I appreciate people” boat at 9rules if this if you don’t get this.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47096 Duncan Thu, 08 Sep 2005 02:42:26 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47096 Bugger, I've got a new name :-) Bugger, I’ve got a new name :-)

]]> By: Mike Rundle http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-to-those-who-link/comment-page-1/#comment-47094 Mike Rundle Thu, 08 Sep 2005 02:11:02 +0000 http://www.blogherald.com/2005/09/07/how-not-to-show-appreciation-for-those-who-link/#comment-47094 Hey Richard- I think you misquoted me a little bit. Right after "Uppercase is for suckers" I have a big, yellow, fat, smiley face to end the post. Leaving that out does make it seem a bit evil, and considering that non-verbal communication is extremely important (and smileys are internet non-verbal communication) I feel that by removing that you're doing your readers, and ours, a disservice. Again, normal readers of our 9rules weblog know that we try to interject humor whenever we get the chance (I know I hate stale weblog posts!) and every single time I re-read that post all I can see is the humor. Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't sound unappreciative or insulting at all to me. I mean, our friends at Turboblogger got the joke .... maybe it's you who missed the boat :) Hey Richard-

I think you misquoted me a little bit. Right after “Uppercase is for suckers” I have a big, yellow, fat, smiley face to end the post. Leaving that out does make it seem a bit evil, and considering that non-verbal communication is extremely important (and smileys are internet non-verbal communication) I feel that by removing that you’re doing your readers, and ours, a disservice.

Again, normal readers of our 9rules weblog know that we try to interject humor whenever we get the chance (I know I hate stale weblog posts!) and every single time I re-read that post all I can see is the humor. Maybe I’m missing something, but it doesn’t sound unappreciative or insulting at all to me.

I mean, our friends at Turboblogger got the joke …. maybe it’s you who missed the boat :)

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