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		<title>By: 内容经济民主化 : 先驱博客 - The Blog Herald China</title>
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		<dc:creator>内容经济民主化 : 先驱博客 - The Blog Herald China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 原文链接   &#169; Copyright 2007 The Blog Herald &#124; Filed Under Features, Social Media, User Generated Content, MySpace, YouTube, Facebook, Blog Marketing and Monetization, Announcements, Media Economics &#124; More articles by ted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 原文链接   &copy; Copyright 2007 The Blog Herald | Filed Under Features, Social Media, User Generated Content, MySpace, YouTube, Facebook, Blog Marketing and Monetization, Announcements, Media Economics | More articles by ted [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Death Of The User at The Blog Herald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Death Of The User at The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That said, there is one respect in which some publishers are still &#8220;users&#8221; &#8212; when you publish to a platform like MySpace or YouTube, you cede control over the monetization of your publication. As I discussed in my last column, making money is certainly not the objective of everyone who publishes online. But regardless of financial motives, we are all seeking our share of attention &#8212; and anyone who publishes anything online is competing for their share. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That said, there is one respect in which some publishers are still &#8220;users&#8221; &#8212; when you publish to a platform like MySpace or YouTube, you cede control over the monetization of your publication. As I discussed in my last column, making money is certainly not the objective of everyone who publishes online. But regardless of financial motives, we are all seeking our share of attention &#8212; and anyone who publishes anything online is competing for their share. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; Filling Large Boots At The BlogHerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; Filling Large Boots At The BlogHerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you haven&#8217;t done so already, please do check out Scott Karp&#8217;s thoughts on the economics of content, Liz Strauss&#8216; opinions on transparency and authenticity, Micah Spacario&#8217;s post on blogging and teaching, and Derek&#8217;s opinion on the new Digg changes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you haven&#8217;t done so already, please do check out Scott Karp&#8217;s thoughts on the economics of content, Liz Strauss&#8216; opinions on transparency and authenticity, Micah Spacario&#8217;s post on blogging and teaching, and Derek&#8217;s opinion on the new Digg changes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MySpace Networking Tips &#187; Best Concerts</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2006/12/20/democratizing-the-economics-of-content/comment-page-1/#comment-138833</link>
		<dc:creator>MySpace Networking Tips &#187; Best Concerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog Herald, Australia - 19 minutes agoGoogle was way ahead of MySpace, YouTube, and Facebook in disrupting the content business Google acquired Blogger in early 2003 to accelerate the rise of &#8230;Democratizing The Economics Of Content [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog Herald, Australia &#8211; 19 minutes agoGoogle was way ahead of MySpace, YouTube, and Facebook in disrupting the content business Google acquired Blogger in early 2003 to accelerate the rise of &#8230;Democratizing The Economics Of Content [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; this issue of allowing users to choose to share in the cash economy will come to a head because the cash value of each user contribution will increase over time.&quot;

It seems unlikely that the value of each user contribution will ever increase to the point that it creates a critical mass which threatens the &quot;user-generated&quot; model.  Sites like YouTube thrive on the long tail and that will only continue to grow.  The tail may get longer but it will never get fatter... there will always be an abundance of content that for a variety of reasons never commands any cash at all and is only valuable when aggregated with other content like it.  

If something reaches a level of popularity that it can draw enough attention to make cash and has monetary value in and of itself, then it no longer needs the support of the &quot;YouTube&quot; model... it (or more precisely its creator) can stand on its own two feet.   At that point it becomes feasible to start pulling traffic off the UGC site and on to a site that is more closely controlled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; this issue of allowing users to choose to share in the cash economy will come to a head because the cash value of each user contribution will increase over time.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems unlikely that the value of each user contribution will ever increase to the point that it creates a critical mass which threatens the &#8220;user-generated&#8221; model.  Sites like YouTube thrive on the long tail and that will only continue to grow.  The tail may get longer but it will never get fatter&#8230; there will always be an abundance of content that for a variety of reasons never commands any cash at all and is only valuable when aggregated with other content like it.  </p>
<p>If something reaches a level of popularity that it can draw enough attention to make cash and has monetary value in and of itself, then it no longer needs the support of the &#8220;YouTube&#8221; model&#8230; it (or more precisely its creator) can stand on its own two feet.   At that point it becomes feasible to start pulling traffic off the UGC site and on to a site that is more closely controlled.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point John- about the free service..., but the burden is on the commercial &quot;professional&quot; to make users aware of the exact nature of the transaction, i.e: what they are giving up is not really &quot;nothing for something&quot; as it&#039;s often made to seem. People may then begin to value their content a great deal more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point John- about the free service&#8230;, but the burden is on the commercial &#8220;professional&#8221; to make users aware of the exact nature of the transaction, i.e: what they are giving up is not really &#8220;nothing for something&#8221; as it&#8217;s often made to seem. People may then begin to value their content a great deal more.</p>
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		<title>By: Eran Baniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eran Baniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Web 2 panel discussion at a Tel-Aviv economic conference, a prominent Google management representative said the following: &quot;all business models for content distribution over the web are viable except for one: payment for content&quot;. Must be convenient for Google to come forward with such a self-fulfilling prophecy and make their profits on it. No copyrights, no professional fees, no investment.

As professional producers of content for the internet (www.desk-trainer.com) we certainly are aware of the difficulties of getting people to pay for content over the web, even when they tried it for free and liked it. 

But how else does one provide real production value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Web 2 panel discussion at a Tel-Aviv economic conference, a prominent Google management representative said the following: &#8220;all business models for content distribution over the web are viable except for one: payment for content&#8221;. Must be convenient for Google to come forward with such a self-fulfilling prophecy and make their profits on it. No copyrights, no professional fees, no investment.</p>
<p>As professional producers of content for the internet (www.desk-trainer.com) we certainly are aware of the difficulties of getting people to pay for content over the web, even when they tried it for free and liked it. </p>
<p>But how else does one provide real production value?</p>
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		<title>By: John Evans (SYNTAGMA)</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Evans (SYNTAGMA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

Presumably in that case, the revenues would come from advertising controlled by the provider. Since it wouldn&#039;t be direct income from the item of content, it would be hard to separate that out from the use of the total facilities and probably protected by clauses in the agreement.

In other words, although the creator retains copyright, s/he can only benefit from direct income, which would only accrue if the creator owned the platform. So, when a content creator gets professional, they will move to their own domains. Otherwise courts will rightly regard them as amateurs.

I can&#039;t see how anyone signing up to a free service can lay claim to a share in the revenues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>Presumably in that case, the revenues would come from advertising controlled by the provider. Since it wouldn&#8217;t be direct income from the item of content, it would be hard to separate that out from the use of the total facilities and probably protected by clauses in the agreement.</p>
<p>In other words, although the creator retains copyright, s/he can only benefit from direct income, which would only accrue if the creator owned the platform. So, when a content creator gets professional, they will move to their own domains. Otherwise courts will rightly regard them as amateurs.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how anyone signing up to a free service can lay claim to a share in the revenues.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2006/12/20/democratizing-the-economics-of-content/comment-page-1/#comment-138782</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I think we&#039;re in agreement that most people are not seeking monetization and derive fair and sufficient value from &quot;creating content&quot; on the services that they use (Nick also conceded that). We&#039;re also in agreement that services like Revver that offer the monetization option haven&#039;t really taken off yet.

Given that, the notion of exploitation may be more nascent than actual -- it becomes actual when the value of the content people are producing through their use of services becomes sufficiently high that they would be interested in the cash compensation -- which doesn&#039;t mean they lose interest in the attention and social value. Even then, the risk of exploitation is probably limited to a much more narrow slice of people who have might have an interest in professionalizing what they&#039;ve been doing casually.

All said, it&#039;s all still (rapidly) evolving -- 2007 may determine whether this is really an issue in the near term.

Mark,

2007 may be the year when the law starts having to catch up with reality -- I think the scenario you describe will inevitably happen, which is what will start to wake people up to this issue. The first instances may or may not land in court, but it seems unavoidable that one will eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re in agreement that most people are not seeking monetization and derive fair and sufficient value from &#8220;creating content&#8221; on the services that they use (Nick also conceded that). We&#8217;re also in agreement that services like Revver that offer the monetization option haven&#8217;t really taken off yet.</p>
<p>Given that, the notion of exploitation may be more nascent than actual &#8212; it becomes actual when the value of the content people are producing through their use of services becomes sufficiently high that they would be interested in the cash compensation &#8212; which doesn&#8217;t mean they lose interest in the attention and social value. Even then, the risk of exploitation is probably limited to a much more narrow slice of people who have might have an interest in professionalizing what they&#8217;ve been doing casually.</p>
<p>All said, it&#8217;s all still (rapidly) evolving &#8212; 2007 may determine whether this is really an issue in the near term.</p>
<p>Mark,</p>
<p>2007 may be the year when the law starts having to catch up with reality &#8212; I think the scenario you describe will inevitably happen, which is what will start to wake people up to this issue. The first instances may or may not land in court, but it seems unavoidable that one will eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent piece, Scott, thank you. Ethics aside, what are the copyright ramifications for the users? Say if one particular item became a gigantic success for the company creating the platform, and the user was compensated nothing. As with all these things, the laws are behind the times, especially in the EU, but if past cases were to dictate- the creator of the content would always retain copyright, and consequently the financial rewards. Do you see trouble in this area- ahead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece, Scott, thank you. Ethics aside, what are the copyright ramifications for the users? Say if one particular item became a gigantic success for the company creating the platform, and the user was compensated nothing. As with all these things, the laws are behind the times, especially in the EU, but if past cases were to dictate- the creator of the content would always retain copyright, and consequently the financial rewards. Do you see trouble in this area- ahead?</p>
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		<title>By: Â» SYNTAGMA - the home of Syntagma Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Â» SYNTAGMA - the home of Syntagma Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] First off is an interesting piece on &#8220;user generated content&#8221; : is it exploitation, or the legitimate satisfaction of a craving for attention? The key issue in my mind is how the explosion of user-generated content will affect over the long term how the finite pie of media attention is allocated. If media consumers start to spend more time with user-generated content (i.e. content that is produced â€œfor freeâ€ by users of open platforms) than they do with â€œprofessionalâ€ content (i.e. content that is expensive to produce â€” think Hollywood), then this issue of allowing users to choose to share in the cash economy will come to a head because the cash value of each user contribution will increase over time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] First off is an interesting piece on &#8220;user generated content&#8221; : is it exploitation, or the legitimate satisfaction of a craving for attention? The key issue in my mind is how the explosion of user-generated content will affect over the long term how the finite pie of media attention is allocated. If media consumers start to spend more time with user-generated content (i.e. content that is produced â€œfor freeâ€ by users of open platforms) than they do with â€œprofessionalâ€ content (i.e. content that is expensive to produce â€” think Hollywood), then this issue of allowing users to choose to share in the cash economy will come to a head because the cash value of each user contribution will increase over time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Evans (SYNTAGMA)</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2006/12/20/democratizing-the-economics-of-content/comment-page-1/#comment-138766</link>
		<dc:creator>John Evans (SYNTAGMA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with the word &quot;exploitation&quot; is that it has a chequered history of use against anyone smart enough to succeed in just about anything.

If someone offers a fee service and others choose to use it on the terms offered, why should they expect a paycheck too? In any field there are 5pc who succeed, while the rest play around and come and go. If we question the rewards of the 5pc, there&#039;ll be nothing left to play around with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with the word &#8220;exploitation&#8221; is that it has a chequered history of use against anyone smart enough to succeed in just about anything.</p>
<p>If someone offers a fee service and others choose to use it on the terms offered, why should they expect a paycheck too? In any field there are 5pc who succeed, while the rest play around and come and go. If we question the rewards of the 5pc, there&#8217;ll be nothing left to play around with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Masnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead wrong, eh?  We&#039;ll see about that...

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant.  I agree that users may be &quot;ignorant&quot; of what their participation means to the various sites, but that doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t get value out of using them.  That&#039;s why they&#039;re using them... and there&#039;s nothing stopping them from leaving.

If it really is monetization that they&#039;re after than alternatives will spring up (witness things like Netscape and Revver).  However, so far, it seems that neither has really caught on that much, despite the hype.  That&#039;s because the value to users is still in the attention they get from the much larger audiences at the other ones.

I have nothing against cash compensation coming into this world.  I&#039;m just saying that it&#039;s silly to think that these users are being exploited in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead wrong, eh?  We&#8217;ll see about that&#8230;</p>
<p>I think you may have misunderstood what I meant.  I agree that users may be &#8220;ignorant&#8221; of what their participation means to the various sites, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t get value out of using them.  That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re using them&#8230; and there&#8217;s nothing stopping them from leaving.</p>
<p>If it really is monetization that they&#8217;re after than alternatives will spring up (witness things like Netscape and Revver).  However, so far, it seems that neither has really caught on that much, despite the hype.  That&#8217;s because the value to users is still in the attention they get from the much larger audiences at the other ones.</p>
<p>I have nothing against cash compensation coming into this world.  I&#8217;m just saying that it&#8217;s silly to think that these users are being exploited in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp Joins The BlogHerald! at The Blog Herald</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2006/12/20/democratizing-the-economics-of-content/comment-page-1/#comment-138743</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp Joins The BlogHerald! at The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This week, Scott&#8217;s first article delves into the economics of content and attention, hinging on the issue of choice when web2.0 outfits &#8220;sharecrop&#8221; the Long Tail. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This week, Scott&#8217;s first article delves into the economics of content and attention, hinging on the issue of choice when web2.0 outfits &#8220;sharecrop&#8221; the Long Tail. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MySpace Networking Tips &#187; Your Lucky Night</title>
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		<dc:creator>MySpace Networking Tips &#187; Your Lucky Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog Herald, Australia - 19 minutes agoGoogle was way ahead of MySpace, YouTube, and Facebook in disrupting the content business Google acquired Blogger in early 2003 to accelerate the rise of &#8230;Democratizing The Economics Of Content [...]</description>
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