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		<title>By: Is problogging in recession? &#124; YugaTech &#124; Philippines, Technology News &#38; Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is problogging in recession? &#124; YugaTech &#124; Philippines, Technology News &#38; Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blogger pay structures have been a constant debate and this was not the first time we talked about it (Going Pro: Network or Indie? &amp; What’s the perfect formula for blogger payouts?). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blogger pay structures have been a constant debate and this was not the first time we talked about it (Going Pro: Network or Indie? &#38; What’s the perfect formula for blogger payouts?). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gawker slices pay of Valleywag writers &#38; some thoughts on blogger pay : The Blog Herald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gawker slices pay of Valleywag writers &#38; some thoughts on blogger pay : The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussed blogger pay previously and others have discussed unions - which is a very dumb idea in my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discussed blogger pay previously and others have discussed unions &#8211; which is a very dumb idea in my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging for Dollars while you Wait for the Book Deal &#171; Future Perfect Publishing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging for Dollars while you Wait for the Book Deal &#171; Future Perfect Publishing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Mark Glaser on the USC Online Annenberg Journalism Review and the recent post &#8220;What’s the perfect formula for blogger payouts&#8221; by Abe Olandres on the Blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Mark Glaser on the USC Online Annenberg Journalism Review and the recent post &#8220;What’s the perfect formula for blogger payouts&#8221; by Abe Olandres on the Blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flat Rate Compensation for Network Bloggers at The Blog Herald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flat Rate Compensation for Network Bloggers at The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I guess I would be one to agree with Ahmed, having actually worked for Bloggy Network for quite some time. While people would consider a lot of factors in determining the best blogger payout scheme, being paid a flat rate (which is quite competitive, in my opinion) takes a load off one&#8217;s mind, since you won&#8217;t have to worry about quotas and deadlines. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I guess I would be one to agree with Ahmed, having actually worked for Bloggy Network for quite some time. While people would consider a lot of factors in determining the best blogger payout scheme, being paid a flat rate (which is quite competitive, in my opinion) takes a load off one&#8217;s mind, since you won&#8217;t have to worry about quotas and deadlines. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a note, Shai wrote a great post responding to you Abe :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a note, Shai wrote a great post responding to you Abe :)</p>
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		<title>By: Shai Coggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shai Coggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, Abe.

As Jeremy pointed out, the &quot;b5media’s $1.50 per 1,000 pageviews&quot; isn&#039;t actually the right formula. In our recent pay schedule, we do have a sliding scale of payments that actually addressed a lot of your suggestions. So, yeah, we DO think [a lot] about how to compensate our bloggers in the best possible way. :-)

We now have a flat monthly fee that gives enough incentive for new bloggers to come on board and at the same time, rewards those who stay with us. 

We now have a traffic bonus scheme.

And, while we don&#039;t pay for a lot of travel (yet?!) for our bloggers, Darren&#039;s taking on the role as the main man for a blogger&#039;s Training and Development. 

Schwag bags - we&#039;re definitely working on them, as J said. :-) I&#039;ve just recently joined b5 on a full time capacity to develop our Community and to help deliver a fuller &quot;salary package&quot;. While b5 bloggers are not employees (they&#039;re hired as Independent Contractors), we definitely value them a great big deal and we want to give them as many benefits as we can possibly give them (without letting b5 go bankrupt, as no one will benefit from that scenario - except maybe those who DO want to say and to prove that &quot;blog networks are failures&quot; ;-)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, Abe.</p>
<p>As Jeremy pointed out, the &#8220;b5media’s $1.50 per 1,000 pageviews&#8221; isn&#8217;t actually the right formula. In our recent pay schedule, we do have a sliding scale of payments that actually addressed a lot of your suggestions. So, yeah, we DO think [a lot] about how to compensate our bloggers in the best possible way. :-)</p>
<p>We now have a flat monthly fee that gives enough incentive for new bloggers to come on board and at the same time, rewards those who stay with us. </p>
<p>We now have a traffic bonus scheme.</p>
<p>And, while we don&#8217;t pay for a lot of travel (yet?!) for our bloggers, Darren&#8217;s taking on the role as the main man for a blogger&#8217;s Training and Development. </p>
<p>Schwag bags &#8211; we&#8217;re definitely working on them, as J said. :-) I&#8217;ve just recently joined b5 on a full time capacity to develop our Community and to help deliver a fuller &#8220;salary package&#8221;. While b5 bloggers are not employees (they&#8217;re hired as Independent Contractors), we definitely value them a great big deal and we want to give them as many benefits as we can possibly give them (without letting b5 go bankrupt, as no one will benefit from that scenario &#8211; except maybe those who DO want to say and to prove that &#8220;blog networks are failures&#8221; ;-)).</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Olandres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Olandres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

Yes, what I am driving at is that the total value of being part of a blog network cannot always or simply be measured by the amount of money you pay bloggers on a per post or per hour basis.  Otherwise, you&#039;d see network bloggers jump from one network to another, whoever is paying better.

The overall value is sometimes more in tuned with how the bloggers see their efforts, dedication and loyalty are being rewarded even with such trivial stuff like a free baseball cap. So, try a blind and completely anonymous survey and see how they all feel about your compensation package. :) 

On a side note, it is good to hear that Darren will be going on in a fulltime basis. His talents should have been tapped a long time ago. Imagine how huge/great b5media would have been had he used his creativity with each and every one of the 170 blogs in your network and duplicate the staggering success he did with his new DPS blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>Yes, what I am driving at is that the total value of being part of a blog network cannot always or simply be measured by the amount of money you pay bloggers on a per post or per hour basis.  Otherwise, you&#8217;d see network bloggers jump from one network to another, whoever is paying better.</p>
<p>The overall value is sometimes more in tuned with how the bloggers see their efforts, dedication and loyalty are being rewarded even with such trivial stuff like a free baseball cap. So, try a blind and completely anonymous survey and see how they all feel about your compensation package. :) </p>
<p>On a side note, it is good to hear that Darren will be going on in a fulltime basis. His talents should have been tapped a long time ago. Imagine how huge/great b5media would have been had he used his creativity with each and every one of the 170 blogs in your network and duplicate the staggering success he did with his new DPS blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, should also say that we have 2 full-time people dedicated just to investing back into our bloggers. Shai on Community Services, and Darren on Training. Both have only started full-time in the last couple of weeks (Darren starts March 1st, actually). 

It&#039;s their goal to develop an incredibly comprehensive set of benefits and resources that help bloggers get motivated, learn, have fun and stretch their wings beyond blogging :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, should also say that we have 2 full-time people dedicated just to investing back into our bloggers. Shai on Community Services, and Darren on Training. Both have only started full-time in the last couple of weeks (Darren starts March 1st, actually). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s their goal to develop an incredibly comprehensive set of benefits and resources that help bloggers get motivated, learn, have fun and stretch their wings beyond blogging :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, yesterday was a day where I was definitely being defensive. I hope I&#039;m past that today ;-) This response&#039;ll be a long one. Not because I&#039;m defensive, but because I want to express my philosophy on pay and get some feedback on it :)

Right now, our pay structure is base pay (which increases every review period, which is every 3 months) + traffic bonus (which is currently set at 1.50$CPM, though we&#039;ve said we&#039;d review this in 3 months with a view of increasing it every 3-6 months both across the network and in higher earning areas) + performance bonuses.

I&#039;m not really a big believer in paying people to get onto Digg or large blogs. Mainly because they&#039;ll see that 25-50$ increase just from the traffic bonus we give them.

In addition, we provide our bloggers with free hosting, deep discounts on schwag (we&#039;re playing around with ways to get bloggers free schwag on anniversaries or something as well), we support their personal projects or charity drives, we&#039;re about to give bonuses for bringing on advertisers and a half-dozen other things. We also have a &quot;community budget&quot; of 500-1000$/month which is dedicated to contests, birthday/baby/anniversary presents, magazine subscriptions and the like.

But, I&#039;ll be the first to admit it isn&#039;t perfect. But it&#039;s a good first step. Before we brought in the new pay structure, our average pay to all our bloggers and CE&#039;s was about 25K/month. With the new system, that&#039;s more than doubled. 

Sure, it can get better. And it will. But first we need to get revenue up. As b5&#039;s overall revenue grows, so will our payouts to bloggers. 

All we&#039;ve ever said about the new pay system is that it&#039;s a good first step. 

I&#039;d like to think your post is agreeing with that, Abe, as well as emphasizing that sometimes &quot;soft benefits&quot; are just as important as an extra couple of dollars in pay. If that&#039;s the thrust of your post, I completely and totally agree :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, yesterday was a day where I was definitely being defensive. I hope I&#8217;m past that today ;-) This response&#8217;ll be a long one. Not because I&#8217;m defensive, but because I want to express my philosophy on pay and get some feedback on it :)</p>
<p>Right now, our pay structure is base pay (which increases every review period, which is every 3 months) + traffic bonus (which is currently set at 1.50$CPM, though we&#8217;ve said we&#8217;d review this in 3 months with a view of increasing it every 3-6 months both across the network and in higher earning areas) + performance bonuses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really a big believer in paying people to get onto Digg or large blogs. Mainly because they&#8217;ll see that 25-50$ increase just from the traffic bonus we give them.</p>
<p>In addition, we provide our bloggers with free hosting, deep discounts on schwag (we&#8217;re playing around with ways to get bloggers free schwag on anniversaries or something as well), we support their personal projects or charity drives, we&#8217;re about to give bonuses for bringing on advertisers and a half-dozen other things. We also have a &#8220;community budget&#8221; of 500-1000$/month which is dedicated to contests, birthday/baby/anniversary presents, magazine subscriptions and the like.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;ll be the first to admit it isn&#8217;t perfect. But it&#8217;s a good first step. Before we brought in the new pay structure, our average pay to all our bloggers and CE&#8217;s was about 25K/month. With the new system, that&#8217;s more than doubled. </p>
<p>Sure, it can get better. And it will. But first we need to get revenue up. As b5&#8242;s overall revenue grows, so will our payouts to bloggers. </p>
<p>All we&#8217;ve ever said about the new pay system is that it&#8217;s a good first step. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think your post is agreeing with that, Abe, as well as emphasizing that sometimes &#8220;soft benefits&#8221; are just as important as an extra couple of dollars in pay. If that&#8217;s the thrust of your post, I completely and totally agree :-D</p>
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		<title>By: Rexted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very informative post. Now I think I have to look for a Blog network, Where I can fit :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very informative post. Now I think I have to look for a Blog network, Where I can fit :)</p>
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		<title>By: wyzemoro</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyzemoro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice points abe.... this for sure will revolutionize the blog industry. professional blogger will be more inspired and determined to post creative writeup. more checks and schwag stuffs makes authors happy then they will be more creative in their posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice points abe&#8230;. this for sure will revolutionize the blog industry. professional blogger will be more inspired and determined to post creative writeup. more checks and schwag stuffs makes authors happy then they will be more creative in their posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Neumann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Neumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos on providing some decent food for thought here, Abe - rather that just the negativity going around on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos on providing some decent food for thought here, Abe &#8211; rather that just the negativity going around on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
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		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of constructive tips in here Abe .. !! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of constructive tips in here Abe .. !!</p>
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