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		<title>By: Is Libel A Rising Issue For Bloggers Worldwide? &#124; The Writers Manifesto Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Libel A Rising Issue For Bloggers Worldwide? &#124; The Writers Manifesto Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don&#8217;t post anything that could be taken against you in a court of law. If you call another blogger and asshole or an idiot this could potentially lead to problems and while we all know of one blogger (Vic) who used to do this quite well, we also know that he got away with it. From where I stand, this could have just as easily ended up in court. Having said this, it is my own opinion and I might be wrong. Even though I know Vic has a heart of gold it doesn&#8217;t mean I agree with everything he says, or how he says it for that matter. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Don&#8217;t post anything that could be taken against you in a court of law. If you call another blogger and asshole or an idiot this could potentially lead to problems and while we all know of one blogger (Vic) who used to do this quite well, we also know that he got away with it. From where I stand, this could have just as easily ended up in court. Having said this, it is my own opinion and I might be wrong. Even though I know Vic has a heart of gold it doesn&#8217;t mean I agree with everything he says, or how he says it for that matter. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mo&#8217; Freedom, Mo&#8217; Problems &#124; Akkam's Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo&#8217; Freedom, Mo&#8217; Problems &#124; Akkam's Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That said, there are tremendous threats to digital freedom here in the US, but they often don&#039;t come from the government directly to the individual speaker.&#160; No, they come indirectly, via the corporate sphere, the establishment press, intra-governmental agency suppression , other opinion influencers, ideological bullies, our society-at-large, and our own tendencies to self-censor.&#160; In most cases, all it takes is the threat of a libel suit or a DMCA takedown letter to pull content, either by the creator or their ISP.&#160; As illustrated in the Electronic Frontier Foundation Legal Guide, many of the concerns of online speech have little to do with the government.&#160; You can&#039;t really say whatever you want. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That said, there are tremendous threats to digital freedom here in the US, but they often don&#39;t come from the government directly to the individual speaker.&nbsp; No, they come indirectly, via the corporate sphere, the establishment press, intra-governmental agency suppression , other opinion influencers, ideological bullies, our society-at-large, and our own tendencies to self-censor.&nbsp; In most cases, all it takes is the threat of a libel suit or a DMCA takedown letter to pull content, either by the creator or their ISP.&nbsp; As illustrated in the Electronic Frontier Foundation Legal Guide, many of the concerns of online speech have little to do with the government.&nbsp; You can&#39;t really say whatever you want. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right on the mark, my friend. Freedom of speech is about accepting the responsibility. Unfortunately, in many countries, as you mentioned, the responsibility (aka consequences) can mean imprisonment or worse. 

When we can speak freely, without the intent to do harm with our words against individuals, to freely criticize the government, politicians, and how our world is being run, then well, wouldn&#039;t that be a world filled with great possibilities. 

It&#039;s really interesting how freedom of speech is not just controlled and restricted by the government, as in your example, Edrei, but also by our fellow citizens, as in my example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right on the mark, my friend. Freedom of speech is about accepting the responsibility. Unfortunately, in many countries, as you mentioned, the responsibility (aka consequences) can mean imprisonment or worse. </p>
<p>When we can speak freely, without the intent to do harm with our words against individuals, to freely criticize the government, politicians, and how our world is being run, then well, wouldn&#8217;t that be a world filled with great possibilities. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really interesting how freedom of speech is not just controlled and restricted by the government, as in your example, Edrei, but also by our fellow citizens, as in my example.</p>
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		<title>By: Edrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I can say something about this because I come from Malaysia where this fight is being played out at this very moment. 

Recently two bloggers in Malaysia are being sued for libel because of blogging about how certain journalist and government spin doctors and that they are plagiarising the works of other people. Also recently another blogger was also being sued for libel against a Malaysian airline company for blogging about how women &lt;em&gt;(specifically his wife)&lt;/em&gt; are dismissed from word for being pregnant.

There are but 2 incidents in Malaysia where freedom of speech have clashed with bloggers because under Malaysian law, you&#039;re not allowed seditious and hateful comments towards other people especially the government. 

I attribute this problem to the lack of bloggers actually fighting for their right to free speech and the current political scene in Malaysia. It&#039;s a problem that is easily solved, but runs into so many obstacles seeing that a lot of Malaysian bloggers only care about themselves. 

The worst thing in all this is that Malaysian bloggers have a skewed sense of the idea to the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech as I understand it is not the freedom to say whatever is on your mind. It is the freedom to be responsible for whatever you&#039;re saying, because if you&#039;re going to say something, you might as well have the evidence to back up what you&#039;re saying. Most importantly, take the flak for what comes your way.

Most Malaysian bloggers are discovering that the freedom of speech does come with consequence that you cannot run away from and it&#039;s a hard lesson to learn especially for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I can say something about this because I come from Malaysia where this fight is being played out at this very moment. </p>
<p>Recently two bloggers in Malaysia are being sued for libel because of blogging about how certain journalist and government spin doctors and that they are plagiarising the works of other people. Also recently another blogger was also being sued for libel against a Malaysian airline company for blogging about how women <em>(specifically his wife)</em> are dismissed from word for being pregnant.</p>
<p>There are but 2 incidents in Malaysia where freedom of speech have clashed with bloggers because under Malaysian law, you&#8217;re not allowed seditious and hateful comments towards other people especially the government. </p>
<p>I attribute this problem to the lack of bloggers actually fighting for their right to free speech and the current political scene in Malaysia. It&#8217;s a problem that is easily solved, but runs into so many obstacles seeing that a lot of Malaysian bloggers only care about themselves. </p>
<p>The worst thing in all this is that Malaysian bloggers have a skewed sense of the idea to the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech as I understand it is not the freedom to say whatever is on your mind. It is the freedom to be responsible for whatever you&#8217;re saying, because if you&#8217;re going to say something, you might as well have the evidence to back up what you&#8217;re saying. Most importantly, take the flak for what comes your way.</p>
<p>Most Malaysian bloggers are discovering that the freedom of speech does come with consequence that you cannot run away from and it&#8217;s a hard lesson to learn especially for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That example came directly &quot;quote - end quote&quot; from a family member, and 3 other family members applauded the quoter. &quot;If you are against the president, you are against the troupes. If you are against the war, you are against the troupes.&quot; I didn&#039;t see the connection, but they did. I&#039;ve been living, until very recently, in the deep southern US and heard this same view many times.

When I had just returned to the United States, I gently asked someone &quot;What do you think of the president?&quot; I was verbally assaulted in response and accused of undermining the government and our wonderful president and believing all those lies about no weapons of mass destruction and how Saddam was really in with the terrorist attack in New York and DC because that&#039;s why Bush attacked...and, well, it was horrible. All I&#039;d done was ask what they thought. I hadn&#039;t said anything else. But they told me what I had said and what they believed they heard, and I got it clear how they thought and felt about their political views, and a whole lot about what they believed my political views were. No freedom of speech in that house. ;-)

Having lived for a long time in the Middle East, I learned a lot about the difference between freedom of speech and government&#039;s illusion of freedom of speech. BIG difference, and Egypt is a good example.

Since my return to the states, I&#039;ve learned that you can say what you want, as long as you are in the privacy of your home. If you take it to the streets, there are laws now on where and how you can &quot;protest&quot; and what you can protest about. I&#039;ve learned that one person&#039;s idea of free speech is another&#039;s idea of treason. I&#039;ve learned that the government can hold you in jail for no reason, no access to an attorney or the outside world, and they are not only justified, they are supported in this action by twists in the law and support of an apathetic nation.

As &quot;free&quot; as the United States is, I&#039;m totally stunned at the level of censorship and control over that freedom. I fear US citizens have taken their freedoms so much for granted, they&#039;ve ignored them when they&#039;ve been taken away slowly, assuming they will always be there. 

Blogs give people a voice, but, as I said in the article, it comes with a price and you have to be willing to pay the price if you want the freedom to say what you want. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That example came directly &#8220;quote &#8211; end quote&#8221; from a family member, and 3 other family members applauded the quoter. &#8220;If you are against the president, you are against the troupes. If you are against the war, you are against the troupes.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t see the connection, but they did. I&#8217;ve been living, until very recently, in the deep southern US and heard this same view many times.</p>
<p>When I had just returned to the United States, I gently asked someone &#8220;What do you think of the president?&#8221; I was verbally assaulted in response and accused of undermining the government and our wonderful president and believing all those lies about no weapons of mass destruction and how Saddam was really in with the terrorist attack in New York and DC because that&#8217;s why Bush attacked&#8230;and, well, it was horrible. All I&#8217;d done was ask what they thought. I hadn&#8217;t said anything else. But they told me what I had said and what they believed they heard, and I got it clear how they thought and felt about their political views, and a whole lot about what they believed my political views were. No freedom of speech in that house. ;-)</p>
<p>Having lived for a long time in the Middle East, I learned a lot about the difference between freedom of speech and government&#8217;s illusion of freedom of speech. BIG difference, and Egypt is a good example.</p>
<p>Since my return to the states, I&#8217;ve learned that you can say what you want, as long as you are in the privacy of your home. If you take it to the streets, there are laws now on where and how you can &#8220;protest&#8221; and what you can protest about. I&#8217;ve learned that one person&#8217;s idea of free speech is another&#8217;s idea of treason. I&#8217;ve learned that the government can hold you in jail for no reason, no access to an attorney or the outside world, and they are not only justified, they are supported in this action by twists in the law and support of an apathetic nation.</p>
<p>As &#8220;free&#8221; as the United States is, I&#8217;m totally stunned at the level of censorship and control over that freedom. I fear US citizens have taken their freedoms so much for granted, they&#8217;ve ignored them when they&#8217;ve been taken away slowly, assuming they will always be there. </p>
<p>Blogs give people a voice, but, as I said in the article, it comes with a price and you have to be willing to pay the price if you want the freedom to say what you want. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Darnell Clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darnell Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confused?

[quote]The United States is living in a time when freedom of speech is persecuted from every angle by the government. It’s okay to be for the President or for the troupes, but let’s pound you into the ground if you are against the war. If you are against the war, you must be against the President. You are definitely against the troupes. They seem to forget that you can be for many things and against many things, and the connections do not have to connect.[/quote]

Where are you getting this from? I know people who are against the war, and for the President (and vice versa) and none of them fear of being taken in the dark.

I even have family members who actively (in public and private) express their views of the war.

Freedom of speech isn&#039;t exactly fashionable in China (especially if your faith/philosophy conflicts with the government) but to accuse the US of the same thing seems a bit far fetched.

Aside from that, this was a great post.

PS

Similar voices are being squashed out in Egypt, probably a good indicator that dictatorships and real journalism do not mix very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confused?</p>
<p>[quote]The United States is living in a time when freedom of speech is persecuted from every angle by the government. It’s okay to be for the President or for the troupes, but let’s pound you into the ground if you are against the war. If you are against the war, you must be against the President. You are definitely against the troupes. They seem to forget that you can be for many things and against many things, and the connections do not have to connect.[/quote]</p>
<p>Where are you getting this from? I know people who are against the war, and for the President (and vice versa) and none of them fear of being taken in the dark.</p>
<p>I even have family members who actively (in public and private) express their views of the war.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech isn&#8217;t exactly fashionable in China (especially if your faith/philosophy conflicts with the government) but to accuse the US of the same thing seems a bit far fetched.</p>
<p>Aside from that, this was a great post.</p>
<p>PS</p>
<p>Similar voices are being squashed out in Egypt, probably a good indicator that dictatorships and real journalism do not mix very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yang&#039;s post may have been censored in China, but in America, you have the freedom to protest all you want. The government will still demolish your property so someone else can build a shopping mall (Kelo v. New London). The end result is the same, comrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yang&#8217;s post may have been censored in China, but in America, you have the freedom to protest all you want. The government will still demolish your property so someone else can build a shopping mall (Kelo v. New London). The end result is the same, comrade.</p>
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		<title>By: ploop</title>
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		<dc:creator>ploop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fine post.  
As a former journalist I find I can blog and speak the truth without &#039;massaging&#039; the language a little.  I also find I can be a little ruder that I was when I broadcast on the BBC - but this rudeness isn&#039;t gratuitous, it just means I can be honest without working out who will, or won&#039;t, hinder my career.  This is very liberating.

However, it&#039;s worth remembering that having a blog is a privilege we are very lucky to have.  Freedon of speech is also a privilege.  Neither give us the right to libel or de downright nasty (ok, so some people deserve to be vilified!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fine post.<br />
As a former journalist I find I can blog and speak the truth without &#8216;massaging&#8217; the language a little.  I also find I can be a little ruder that I was when I broadcast on the BBC &#8211; but this rudeness isn&#8217;t gratuitous, it just means I can be honest without working out who will, or won&#8217;t, hinder my career.  This is very liberating.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s worth remembering that having a blog is a privilege we are very lucky to have.  Freedon of speech is also a privilege.  Neither give us the right to libel or de downright nasty (ok, so some people deserve to be vilified!)</p>
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		<title>By: Starked SF, Unforgiving News from the Bay &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linker Barn: Tuesday, March 27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starked SF, Unforgiving News from the Bay &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linker Barn: Tuesday, March 27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How far goes freedom of speech in the flogosphere? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amrit Hallan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit Hallan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the danger of persecution exists in all spheres of public, and even private life, and freedom is just perceptual, or circumstantial. If you are a journalist, you can be persecuted by people in the government or against the government. Similarly, if you are a poet, a photographer, a singer or any artist who can use his or her art to express or reflect upon reality, you are open to persecution both from legal and illegal agencies. The same goes for bloggers because blogging is a highly interactive activity, and in fact repressive regimes would find blogging more threatening because of its wide reach and ease of creation.

I have a blog where I write on social issues, and I do restrain sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the danger of persecution exists in all spheres of public, and even private life, and freedom is just perceptual, or circumstantial. If you are a journalist, you can be persecuted by people in the government or against the government. Similarly, if you are a poet, a photographer, a singer or any artist who can use his or her art to express or reflect upon reality, you are open to persecution both from legal and illegal agencies. The same goes for bloggers because blogging is a highly interactive activity, and in fact repressive regimes would find blogging more threatening because of its wide reach and ease of creation.</p>
<p>I have a blog where I write on social issues, and I do restrain sometimes.</p>
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