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	<title>Comments on: The Liz Strauss Comment Counter Plugin Stirs Comment Controversy</title>
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		<title>By: filmy online</title>
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		<dc:creator>filmy online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tip to save some funds when watching films it that as a substitute for going to the cinema on a busy sunday look at leasing your movies. The standard price to lease a DVD is a lot less than 1 / 2 the price of only one movie ticket at your normal theater. Another incentive is that you could possibly rent about 4 movies via your own localized video store for the same price tag as 2 tickets at your movie theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tip to save some funds when watching films it that as a substitute for going to the cinema on a busy sunday look at leasing your movies. The standard price to lease a DVD is a lot less than 1 / 2 the price of only one movie ticket at your normal theater. Another incentive is that you could possibly rent about 4 movies via your own localized video store for the same price tag as 2 tickets at your movie theater.</p>
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		<title>By: naughtysakae</title>
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		<dc:creator>naughtysakae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is right!   ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is right!   ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: boywaterstev</title>
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		<dc:creator>boywaterstev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tom you vacant black wood apple free america</description>
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		<title>By: blog.2i2j.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog.2i2j.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you need, you can test in my blog, my blog test this feature now!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.2i2j.com/2008/08/test-to-choose-mail-notify-when-reply.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;博客接受回复邮件自选功能测试&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you need, you can test in my blog, my blog test this feature now!</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.2i2j.com/2008/08/test-to-choose-mail-notify-when-reply.html" rel="nofollow">博客接受回复邮件自选功能测试</a></p>
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		<title>By: blog.2i2j.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog.2i2j.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lorelle:

Thanks for your comment. it is very honest.

I know Mark make many code to manage Subscribe, but you know, if build more code, it will use more resources, previously because i want to save resources, i don&#039;t make the way of email.

not only for save resources, but also for wordpress database, because of lack of wordpress import &amp; export, if i do this, i must add a new field or table in wordpress, but wp&#039;s export not to support it, so if someone rebuild blog, it will lose all replies and email&#039;s way!

for two reason, i don&#039;t do this all along. i have contradiction for this always!

here is my post for this contradiction. it is chinese, you can read it by google translation.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.2i2j.com/2008/08/somethings-of-blog-comments.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;评论那档子破事儿&lt;/a&gt;

btw: i am sorry for my poor english. i want to study english, who can give me some advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lorelle:</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. it is very honest.</p>
<p>I know Mark make many code to manage Subscribe, but you know, if build more code, it will use more resources, previously because i want to save resources, i don&#8217;t make the way of email.</p>
<p>not only for save resources, but also for wordpress database, because of lack of wordpress import &amp; export, if i do this, i must add a new field or table in wordpress, but wp&#8217;s export not to support it, so if someone rebuild blog, it will lose all replies and email&#8217;s way!</p>
<p>for two reason, i don&#8217;t do this all along. i have contradiction for this always!</p>
<p>here is my post for this contradiction. it is chinese, you can read it by google translation.<br />
<a href="http://blog.2i2j.com/2008/08/somethings-of-blog-comments.html" rel="nofollow">评论那档子破事儿</a></p>
<p>btw: i am sorry for my poor english. i want to study english, who can give me some advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/#comment-577530&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; blog.2i2j.com&lt;/a&gt;:

Thanks for writing such a great Plugin. Many are benefiting from its usage. I still believe that having a way to opt-out makes this an even better Plugin. 

Even Mark Jaquith, the author of Subscribe to Comments, realized that having it enabled by default was forcing people to opt-in - not a kind and gentle, inviting process. It ticked off a lot of people. 

Yes, your Plugin means less email as they would only receive email from replies to their comment, but it means there is no way to turn it off when interest in the subject wanes. 

Thanks again for creating such a great Plugin and allowing us to give you feedback to help make it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/#comment-577530" rel="nofollow"> blog.2i2j.com</a>:</p>
<p>Thanks for writing such a great Plugin. Many are benefiting from its usage. I still believe that having a way to opt-out makes this an even better Plugin. </p>
<p>Even Mark Jaquith, the author of Subscribe to Comments, realized that having it enabled by default was forcing people to opt-in &#8211; not a kind and gentle, inviting process. It ticked off a lot of people. </p>
<p>Yes, your Plugin means less email as they would only receive email from replies to their comment, but it means there is no way to turn it off when interest in the subject wanes. </p>
<p>Thanks again for creating such a great Plugin and allowing us to give you feedback to help make it better.</p>
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		<title>By: GoingLikeSixty</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoingLikeSixty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Hall: exactly. Some people just like to seem more important. Others do it for sport. 
I just thought I added to the conversation by reminding readers that Feedburner isn&#039;t always what it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Hall: exactly. Some people just like to seem more important. Others do it for sport.<br />
I just thought I added to the conversation by reminding readers that Feedburner isn&#8217;t always what it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-577753</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lorelle: The &quot;This is a nice post&quot; comments have been generally caught by Akismet, at least in the year I&#039;ve been on WP. Of course, between spam and actual comments, I&#039;m between 6-7,000; sometimes it is better to be small than good. ;)

@GoingLikeSixty: What would be the point of gaming the comment chicklet? Feedburner, I can see: those stats drive rankings. I&#039;ve not yet heard of rankings by comments. (Of course, if someone enjoys cheating at solitaire and thinks that makes her a better person, then she might inflate her comment count.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lorelle: The &#8220;This is a nice post&#8221; comments have been generally caught by Akismet, at least in the year I&#8217;ve been on WP. Of course, between spam and actual comments, I&#8217;m between 6-7,000; sometimes it is better to be small than good. ;)</p>
<p>@GoingLikeSixty: What would be the point of gaming the comment chicklet? Feedburner, I can see: those stats drive rankings. I&#8217;ve not yet heard of rankings by comments. (Of course, if someone enjoys cheating at solitaire and thinks that makes her a better person, then she might inflate her comment count.)</p>
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		<title>By: blog.2i2j.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog.2i2j.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i think if you do not want to receive mail, you can type a wrong email address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i think if you do not want to receive mail, you can type a wrong email address.</p>
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		<title>By: GoingLikeSixty</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-577531</link>
		<dc:creator>GoingLikeSixty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quickonlinetips.com/archives/2008/08/fake-feedburner-rss-counts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feedburner stats can be gamed&lt;/a&gt;, so it won&#039;t be long until somebody figures out how to game the comment chicklet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention that <a href="http://www.quickonlinetips.com/archives/2008/08/fake-feedburner-rss-counts/" rel="nofollow">Feedburner stats can be gamed</a>, so it won&#8217;t be long until somebody figures out how to game the comment chicklet.</p>
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		<title>By: blog.2i2j.com</title>
		<link>http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-577530</link>
		<dc:creator>blog.2i2j.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lorelle Vanfossen, thanks for your suggestion. once i write the wp thread comment, i always think it is need to add email by author. but i think it is unuseful, because wp thread comment is differently with subscribe. only someone reply your comment, i will send mail to you, it is only! and if blogger setting no email or admin email, it is less mail to you(only admin or none). so i don&#039;t add mail by author in the plugins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lorelle Vanfossen, thanks for your suggestion. once i write the wp thread comment, i always think it is need to add email by author. but i think it is unuseful, because wp thread comment is differently with subscribe. only someone reply your comment, i will send mail to you, it is only! and if blogger setting no email or admin email, it is less mail to you(only admin or none). so i don&#8217;t add mail by author in the plugins.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelle VanFossen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorelle VanFossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/#comment-576895&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Steve Hall&lt;/a&gt;:

The failure to opt-out of the WordPress Thread Comment Plugin is a serious flaw. It would be good to recommend to the author to have that feature. Since I was sitting on your blog refreshing, looking for comments and replies, then to have emails sitting in my inbox among the hundreds I get every day, it&#039;s just one more nuisance for those who don&#039;t like Subscribe to Comments options. I get ENOUGH email, I want to be very choosy about which post comments I really want to track through my email. Other than that, it&#039;s a great Plugin.

If you haven&#039;t had a single spam comment go live, you are seriously lucky. The spammers get smarter and smarter and it takes a while for people to catch on and submit them to Akismet so it can learn to block the new threats. The &quot;This is an interesting post&quot; spams were really annoying as they looked like good trackbacks and comments and they weren&#039;t. If you aren&#039;t paying attention, they can slip by you. Even slip by me and I&#039;m always on my guard. :D 

I&#039;m so thrilled that people are finding the value in comments and not totally turning away from them where there are so many reasons to do so nowadays. I think they are invaluable and anything that encourages them is welcome. Luckily, we have a variety of options to choose from for our different blog styles and types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/25/the-liz-strauss-comment-counter-plugin-stirs-comment-controversy/#comment-576895" rel="nofollow"> Steve Hall</a>:</p>
<p>The failure to opt-out of the WordPress Thread Comment Plugin is a serious flaw. It would be good to recommend to the author to have that feature. Since I was sitting on your blog refreshing, looking for comments and replies, then to have emails sitting in my inbox among the hundreds I get every day, it&#8217;s just one more nuisance for those who don&#8217;t like Subscribe to Comments options. I get ENOUGH email, I want to be very choosy about which post comments I really want to track through my email. Other than that, it&#8217;s a great Plugin.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t had a single spam comment go live, you are seriously lucky. The spammers get smarter and smarter and it takes a while for people to catch on and submit them to Akismet so it can learn to block the new threats. The &#8220;This is an interesting post&#8221; spams were really annoying as they looked like good trackbacks and comments and they weren&#8217;t. If you aren&#8217;t paying attention, they can slip by you. Even slip by me and I&#8217;m always on my guard. :D </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so thrilled that people are finding the value in comments and not totally turning away from them where there are so many reasons to do so nowadays. I think they are invaluable and anything that encourages them is welcome. Luckily, we have a variety of options to choose from for our different blog styles and types.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Reyes-McDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Reyes-McDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, no matter how you slice it, any plugin or reference tool that builds social proof and highlights the interactivity on your blog -- it&#039;s a good thing.  This is a great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, no matter how you slice it, any plugin or reference tool that builds social proof and highlights the interactivity on your blog &#8212; it&#8217;s a good thing.  This is a great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sierra at MeAndMyDrum.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Sierra at MeAndMyDrum.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of having this counter. I wish I had thought of it!

As to the commenter you reference in your post who said it would increase competition, I say he/she is missing the point. Competition is what we&#039;re in for when you want to have your blog noticed. What is important is the value of those comments. The judges for assigning that value are the blog owner and the reader.

If I saw a huge number of comments in the counter I would respond in the same positive way I do when I look at Feedburner&#039;s chicklet. It tells me that the blog in front of me just might have something of value here.

Will people try to game the system? Well, of course! But that doesn&#039;t mean we should just throw a good idea away. The value of these comments will come to light eventually, so any gaming of the system will be found out in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of having this counter. I wish I had thought of it!</p>
<p>As to the commenter you reference in your post who said it would increase competition, I say he/she is missing the point. Competition is what we&#8217;re in for when you want to have your blog noticed. What is important is the value of those comments. The judges for assigning that value are the blog owner and the reader.</p>
<p>If I saw a huge number of comments in the counter I would respond in the same positive way I do when I look at Feedburner&#8217;s chicklet. It tells me that the blog in front of me just might have something of value here.</p>
<p>Will people try to game the system? Well, of course! But that doesn&#8217;t mean we should just throw a good idea away. The value of these comments will come to light eventually, so any gaming of the system will be found out in time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve said on my own announcement, I think that showing your comment count, no matter how big or modest, simply shows that you care about comments and commenters. I find this a invitation to welcome by itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve said on my own announcement, I think that showing your comment count, no matter how big or modest, simply shows that you care about comments and commenters. I find this a invitation to welcome by itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very insightful points here. (Thank you for the linkage, incidentally!) 

I find it interesting that Marina of Hot Words loves the e-mail reply feature of WordPress Thread Comment--the same feature you found aggravating on my blog (because there&#039;s no way to opt out). I think I finally have a reason to implement a poll on my blog.

Regarding comment spam, I&#039;ve used Akismet from day 1, and I&#039;ve been coupling that with Bad Behavior for the past few months. To the best of my knowledge, in the year my blog&#039;s been around, I don&#039;t believe a single spam comment has gone live.

Clearly I&#039;ve been lucky, and my blog is a small blog in a small niche; by the same token, I think being conscientious about keeping my spam blockers active and updated, is a plus.

&quot;...I’m eager to see the conversation come back to the blog. Anything that enhances the conversation helps.&quot; AMEN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very insightful points here. (Thank you for the linkage, incidentally!) </p>
<p>I find it interesting that Marina of Hot Words loves the e-mail reply feature of WordPress Thread Comment&#8211;the same feature you found aggravating on my blog (because there&#8217;s no way to opt out). I think I finally have a reason to implement a poll on my blog.</p>
<p>Regarding comment spam, I&#8217;ve used Akismet from day 1, and I&#8217;ve been coupling that with Bad Behavior for the past few months. To the best of my knowledge, in the year my blog&#8217;s been around, I don&#8217;t believe a single spam comment has gone live.</p>
<p>Clearly I&#8217;ve been lucky, and my blog is a small blog in a small niche; by the same token, I think being conscientious about keeping my spam blockers active and updated, is a plus.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I’m eager to see the conversation come back to the blog. Anything that enhances the conversation helps.&#8221; AMEN!</p>
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